In a recent interview with TNW, Jelle Prins, the mind behind Uber’s first app, shared his vision of a world transformed by autonomous vehicles. “Imagine getting into a car here in Amsterdam in the evening,” he mused, “and waking up the next morning in a mountain village in France for a day of snowboarding.” In his mind, self-driving is the next step in the evolution of mobility, and the question is not if but when it will land in Europe.

He shared his vision for this future — and his plans to design proteins using AI — with TNW founder Boris Veldhuijzen van Zaten in the latest episode of “Kia’s Next Big Drive.”

Watch the full interview by clicking below: